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Getting the new edition of the LotFP Weird Fantasy Role-Playing Ref book produced and looking sharp!
James Raggi
1 Team Member

Notice 1: IndieGoGo requires payment up front when you make your pledge and this cannot be lowered after the fact (and can only be raised by making a new contribution). Be very sure before you hit that payment button.

Notice 2: This campaign is set up very differently than most crowdfunding campaigns. Read the descriptions carefully. If you have any questions, please drop a line to lotfp@lotfp.com or leave a comment at the tab above before laying down your cash.

Notice 3: New last-minute extra! Jason Thompson adventure walkthrough! See the Extras section!

  • We're doing a new LotFP Ref book to match - if not exceed - the standards of the recently released Rules & Magic book. Hardcover, new layout, expanded content!
  • Backers get to vote on which stretch goals come next. You decide whether we go for a full color layout, or reprinting adventures, or comprehensive indexing, etc.
  • Backers can add on extras that make the book better for everyone. Want Frank Mentzer, Kenneth Hite, Zak S, or Michael Curtis to contribute? You want new monsters by Rafael Chandler and Aeron Alfrey to be part of the book? You make it happen!
  • No matter how much extra material is added, no matter what the final retail price of the book ends up being, your price is locked in once you back the project.
  • There are a ton of exclusives available, like a Referee screen, a new adventure, and an alternate cover available only to backers of this campaign.
  • Backers get a copy of the new printing of Death Frost Doom at no additional cost!
  • Backers get a copy of the new printing of Tower of the Stargazer at no additional cost!
  • Backers get a copy of a new Michael Curtis mini-adventure in PDF, or in print if contributing 100€ or more to the campaign!
And now for the long version of the campaign text with all the conditions and disclaimers and important detailed information:

Lamentations of the Flame Princess is a tabletop RPG company based out of Helsinki Finland, and Weird Fantasy Role-Playing is a horror/fantasy/adventure RPG. It is wildly imaginative and uncompromising (read: explicit content; not for gaming with your kids), with top notch production values, striking art and a heavy metal attitude.

You can download a free version of the core rules without the artwork here and check out the guts of LotFP yourself, and you can download a fully illustrated 180 page LotFP adventure at no charge here.

You can see a gallery of previously published art (and even some art that will be included in the Ref book this campaign is funding!) here. Not safe for work.

You can buy current LotFP releases at the LotFP Webstore. Most of our releases are in the distribution chain, so you can get them at your local store, but the newer books (including the new Rules & Magic) won't go to distribution until the Referee book is printed.

Which is why we're doing the crowdfunding push. Read on...

The previous edition of LotFP (the "Grindhouse Edition") is just about sold out. We're out of copies at the LotFP headquarters, and there are few copies left in distribution. We need the core in print.

The Rules & Magic book (basically the player book) has been printed and is on sale from the LotFP webshop in Finland, but the Ref book has not yet been printed so the new version of the game as a whole cannot yet go into the retail chain where it attracts new fans.

We could go to press right now effectively reprinting the Grindhouse Ref book as a hardcover, but that's not good enough. It needs the professional layout and presentation to match the Rules & Magic book. And it could use some new art, additional editorial input, and all the great things that money can buy but that small publishers have problems financing out of pocket since they're not essential to the production of a book for it to still turn out pretty good.

So we here at LotFP hope you help to finance all of that and make this Ref book one that will both completely bury the previous editions of the book and be impressive enough to attract legions of new fans!

It'll be in hardcover. More durable, more impressive. It will have fresh editing. It will have a professional layout to match the new Rules & Magic book.

It will also have expanded content. LotFP is a living, growing game and so the advice in the book needs to be updated. But it will not replace the old advice, rather it will be presented alongside the previous advice in the book to highlight the fact that there is no one right way to play the game.

It will have a brand new section with tons of crunchy play aids, including a brand new creature generator (specializing in extra-dimensional mockeries of reality) with an expanded roster of sample monsters (but still no official game bestiary!), adventure generators, and all sorts of (hopefully) useful charts and tables to make adventure creation easier that will ensure that you keep this Ref book at hand when preparing your next session.

And of course there is new art, with Jason Rainville, Aeron Alfrey, and Eric Lofgren already having turned in new interior pieces (yes, a good pile of money has already been put into the project, this isn't all being done just on all your backs):

Plus there is a new cover for the Ref book (standard edition) by Malcolm McClinton:

And exclusive to this campaign is the limited edition wraparound cover, by Yannick Bouchard:

We're doing two things differently than traditional crowdfunding campaigns:

First, the Levels 3 - 5 Perks DO NOT INCLUDE SHIPPING COSTS.

What will happen is when the book is ready, you will receive a coupon code for the value of the Ref book (or two), and you will purchase it from the LotFP Webstore, paying the regular shipping costs at that time (and adding whatever other items you wish at the time).

Many crowdfunding campaigns, even ones that are on schedule, either wind up producing larger books than originally planned (which should be a good thing for everyone, right?) or the post office raises their rates between the time the campaign ends and fulfillment begins. It has turned seemingly profitable crowdfunding campaigns into a shipping cost grinder that causes the loss of thousands of dollars.

The estimated weight that this Ref book + Death Frost Doom will be is 575g. Economy shipping for 575g in books would be 7,50€ according to current second-class rates. 1075g for both versions of the Ref book + Death Frost Doom would be 12,50€ to EU addresses and 15,00€ to non-EU addresses for second-class rates. But the book may be bigger. Or smaller. 

But to the customer's advantage here, the extras will be added to those shipments at no added charge. And if we load up on stretch goals increasing the retail price of the book, Perk Levels 3-5 still get you the voucher for the full price based on your backing of the project here.

And then we can just add the value of any additional Stretch Goal Adventures to the voucher, and as each of those books is estimated to weigh about 75g, that would result in a 2,50€ shipping cost increase for non-EU residents if more than one stretch goal adventure is funded.

But again, those are all according to current postage rates, which may change at any time and we don't get much advance notice, and that's why we're not just adding 7,50€ to the cost of the perk levels and calling shipping costs covered.

Second, Extras bought will not automatically count towards stretch goals.

Extra bits and stretch goals have also been a frequent financial killer of "successful" crowdfunding campaigns.

Publishers want to give you lots of cool stuff and extra tidbits. We really do. But this stuff costs money to produce. If you're running a campaign and you say the stretch goal for the next big improvement to the book is 2000€, and you get there because people bought 200 10€ fiddlydoos, and those fiddlydoos cost 5€ to produce... congratulations, you're on the hook for both the stretch goal improvements and the fiddlydoos, and you're down 1000€ out of pocket.

But I still want to offer stretch goals, and I still want to offer fiddlydoos.

So here's how we're going to do it.

Some of the extras have absolutely fixed costs. These are the Commentary, New Monsters, and Personalized Art extras. Half of each purchased extra will go towards the costs of the extra (paying talent!), the other half will go towards stretch goals.

Thulian Echoes will have half of each purchased extra go towards production costs for that adventure (its art budget in particular will be wholly dependent on the money the adventure earns), and half goes towards campaign stretch goals.

The other extras (Slipcase, Screen, Shirts, Dice) will not count towards stretch goals at all until their own costs are cleared. At that point all "profit" from each item will go towards general campaign stretch goals. (And the more that are produced, the less each individual unit costs.) Think of it as mini-embedded sub-crowdfunding campaigns. Because while some of those prices allow break-even to come relatively quickly (the dice in particular), those pricey Slipcases and Ref screen are listed pretty much at cost for 100 units. Get them while you can.

Now, IndieGoGo is not set up like a shopping cart, so if somebody picks Level 3 (30€ base) with 100€ in extras... I won't know whether that's going towards shirts or slipcases or Commentary or what. You can be helpful and email lotfp@lotfp.com right after pledging to let me know where you want your money allocated, to help us know where we are in relation to stretch goals. Otherwise, this tally won't happen until after the campaign ends... leaving a very good chance that we won't know about what stretch goals will be reached until after the campaign ends!

Also, the budget for each extra and all stretch goal amounts assume that IndieGoGo + Paypal will take 10% of all pledges in as fees. That's worst-case scenario, with 8-9% in fees being more typical. After the campaign ends, I will know exactly what percentage has been taken in fees, and adjust the stretch goal costs. So it is possible yet again for stretch goals to be achieved after the campaign ends.

This might sound complicated, and it is (you should see the scary database I've set up on my end to keep track of it all), but people who run these campaigns obsessively crunch numbers on their campaigns daily anyway, so might as well publish the numbers...

And that's how LotFP is going to attempt to run a fiscally responsible crowdfunding campaign where all the money goes where it's supposed to go and you get the best frickin' book possible and nobody goes broke delivering it. Seems a better solution than inflating stretch goals by guessing what proportion of extras vs. core rewards people will choose.

Each of these extra items may be added to your pledge. You may add multiples of each item if you wish. These prices already include shipping costs.

These items are exclusive to this crowdfunding campaign. While there may be extras of any particular item after your rewards have all been mailed out, they will only be sold in person at conventions, never online. (Do note that the Retail option allows participating retailers to get some of these "exclusive" items - they are backers too! - so they may show up elsewhere after the campaign.)

  • 50€ New Monster by Rafael Chandler and Aeron Alfrey!
    "LotFP doesn't have a bestiary!" I'm sure you've heard that one before. Well... there will be an expanded selection of sample monsters. But this is your chance to expand that even more for everyone! Rafael Chandler and Aeron Alfrey will team up to write up and illustrate a new monster for the Sample Monsters section.

  • 45€ Personalized Olli Hihnala Art!
    Artist Olli Hihnala will do a one-of-a-kind sketch for you inside your copy of the Ref book. (If you are getting both Ref books, the sketch will go inside the limited version.) Your perks would ship later than they otherwise would because of course Hihnala would need time to receive and work through the books to be sketched in.

  • 25€ Commentary!
    When the new Referee book's text is finalized, your choice of Frank Mentzer, Michael Curtis, Kenneth Hite, or Zak S will read through it and offer at least 100 words of commentary/suggestions/advice where they see fit, to be included in the final text of the book. Every Commentary! extra added by a backer means at least 100 more words of commentary, expanding the scope of the book for everyone!

  • 25€ Slipcase
    A nice thick (1.8mm board) full color slipcase designed to hold this Referee hardcover and the Rules & Magic hardcover (which is not included in this campaign, but is available for purchase here), with brand new artwork from Olli Hihnala. This extra includes JUST the slipcase, not any books inside!

    (Hihnala's slipcase art... Summon gone wrong at the auto-da-fé!)

  • 25€ Referee Screen
    (Ryan's Ref screen concept roughs.)
    A large (estimated 21x89cm) three-panel Referee screen on heavy 2.5mm board with full color art by Matthew Ryan on one side, and a load of reference charts - many not in the Rules & Magic or Referee book endpapers, on the other! (Artwork is already underway and we hope/expect to be able to show the final art before the end of the campaign.)

    The screen art:

  • 20€ A2-size (420 × 594mm) print of a God That Crawls visual walkthrough
    Jason Thompson's poster-size visual walkthrough of the LotFP adventure The God that Crawls. The print will be folded twice down to A4 size for shipping. Contact lotfp@lotfp.com if you'd like to arrange shipping in a poster tube.

  • 16€ LotFP T-Shirt with Aeron Alfrey Art
    Black T-shirt with wild Aeron Alfrey artwork! Sizes Ladies' S-XXXL, Mens' S-XXXL. Printed on preshrunk 100% cotton Gildan Heavy Cotton shirts. (Add 3€ for sizes XXL and above.)
    (Aeron Alfrey's T-shirt design - we may add a logo to it)

  • 13€ 12-Dice Set
    Opaque red dice with white numbering, perfect for every chart or rule found in the game:
    1x d4
    1x d6 (numbers)
    3x d6 (pips with a Dead Sign in the 1 spot)
    1x d8
    1x d10 (0-9)
    1x d10 (00-90)
    1x d10 (000-900)
    1x d12
    1x d20
    1x d30
    (Gardening Society members get a set of these free if they contribute at Level 3 or more.)

  • 12€ Thulian Echoes Print + PDF / 5€ PDF Only
    "When Titus sacked Jerusalem, it is said that during the chaos an enterprising sorcerer made off with a King's ransom in silver and disappeared to far off Thule. A century later an enterprising party of explorers made a failed bid to reclaim it.  Armed with their notes, are you able to succeed where they failed over a thousand years prior?"

    Zzarchov Kowolski (Lamentations of the Gingerbread Princess, The Gnomes of Levnec, A Thousand Dead Babies) is helping out by letting LotFP release his new adventure. The print version will be exclusive to this campaign. Zzarchov of course gets a cut of every purchase of Thulian Echoes. (This is not a "Stretch Goal Adventure" and is only included if you add this extra to your pledge.)

    (Yannick Bouchard's cover for Thulian Echoes)

  • 10€ LotFP Note Pad
    48 page, A5-sized note pad (with cover artwork by Satine Phoenix!). The book has graph paper on one side of each page spread and hex paper on the other - perfect for your mini One Page Dungeons and Wilderness or general notetaking needs.

    (Satine Phoenix's cover art for the LotFP Note Pad)

Once a goal is reached, backers will receive an email to vote on what the next stretch goal should be. Backers will have 24 hours to respond, and then the results will be announced.

Each € value listed with the stretch goal is the amount of money beyond the previous stretch goal that would be needed to fund it.

Possible stretch goals:

  • + 2500€ Full Color Layout
    The layout will be in full color. (Note this does not mean all illustrations will be in color.)

  • + 2600€ Indexes
    A comprehensive index covering both this new Ref book and the Rules & Magic hardcover will be in this book.


  • + 3250€ Developmental Editing
    The Ref book is going to be one part advice and procedures, one part game tools, one part inspiration, plus intro material for new Refs. To help everything flow more smoothly and to help keep a unified tone, Joshua Yearsley (Nova Praxis) will be brought on board with this stretch goal.


  • + 2500€ Full Color Section
    An 8-page insert with full color art, similar to the color section that appears in the Rules & Magic book, will be part of the Referee book.


    This goal may be reached multiple times.

  • + 3000€ Module Reprint
    Older, out-of-print adventures need to be reprinted. Reaching this goal will get one of the following adventures reprinted: Tower of the Stargazer, Death Frost Doom, The Grinding Gear, Hammers of the God. The price of the adventure will be added to the LotFP store voucher backers receive, so you get it for just the cost of added shipping if the goal is reached. This goal may be reached 4 times, once for each adventure. Tower of the Stargazer will have to be first because of its "intro" focus (and more beginner and learning material on store shelves is always good), but after that backers will vote on which adventure gets reprinted next after the stretch goal is reached.



  • + 350€ Maria Appreciation Fund!
    My wife puts up with a lot of crap to allow LotFP to function, from going without rent for months at a time (while watching thousands of euros come and go for business concerns), the living room being turned into a warehouse for weeks once or twice a year and being littered with packing supplies year-round, the "Leave me alone I'm writing!" shenanigans, "Help me get this load to the post office?", to dealing with the stress of being married to someone running a small business in a very small and weird industry.

    This crowdfunding campaign is not designed to generate profit in and of itself (of course the hope is the Ref book will go on afterwards to be a wildly successful and profitable book!), but if you vote for this stretch goal, Maria gets her share of the rent immediately after the campaign ends, not three months after the Ref book goes to press. This stretch goal can be achieved numerous times, if you're feeling that nice.


Note: Certain estimates about how long the book will be were factored into some of these stretch goal costs and even in estimating the base costs of the book and campaign. Should we not reach the largest possible wordcount, some of these costs will be (much) less than what is listed. But we won't know until after the campaign is over. Which means that when such costs are finalized there is a chance that new stretch goals could be funded long after the campaign has ended just by updating the accounting!

The interface here does not act like a shopping cart... For example, if you choose the Level 3 perk and pay 50€, there is no indication exactly what extra you wanted in addition to the standard edition Ref book.

So after the campaign ends, all backers will receive an email confirming the amount they contributed, to ask them exactly what extras they want. Within days of the campaign ending, everyone should be on the same page with no surprises as to what they will receive and what they will not.

(You are of course free to email lotfp@lotfp.com at the time you back the project and specify where you want the money to go. In fact, if you have any questions at all about the process, leave a message on this campaign's comment page, or email, before spending any money.)

Backers at the appropriate levels will receive a PDF of the current Ref book right after the campaign ends, as well as the current PDFs of any Stretch Goal Adventures that are attained. The Thulian Echoes PDF will be distributed as soon as it is ready (a completed draft is already in hand as the campaign starts).

When the books are ready, they'll go on sale at the LotFP store and you will receive a notification email with your own unique coupon code to use. The coupon code will include the price of your Ref book plus any Stretch Goal adventures. This will be a general one-use coupon and not tied specifically to these items, so if you want to use it for different items in the store, you can. However, placing an order after this time that does not include the Ref book will mean a copy with the bookmark ribbons (and/or alternate cover copy) is no longer reserved for you.

The extras will not be on sale through the LotFP store - they will simply be added to your order. If you just backed for the extras and not the Ref book itself, just say so in response to the notification email and your stuff will be shipped out on its own.

If you're having budget problems at the time the books are made available and can't put in the order for the Ref book right away, let us know when we send the notification email so we can reserve your items.

People with Finnish addresses don't pay shipping through the LotFP store, so the notification email for them will pretty much just mean "update your address if you've moved."

Retail backers will be contacted directly and will not have to deal with the LotFP store at all.

Being honest... a great many crowdfunding campaigns greatly underestimate the time it takes to get the projects together and to the backers and end up being late. LotFP still has some stuff outstanding that's past deadline. Guessing a "real" date seems like a losing proposition.

Because there is no real deadline for the book.

But the Ref book is essential to LotFP as a game and as a business, and the company is basically in neutral gear until it's done. So it's in everyone's interest to get it done in as timely manner as possible. And we will do our best not to drag our butts. But we won't cut corners.

Layout for the Rules & Magic book took longer than expected, but the same template will be used for this book so who knows how that will affect things. We might hit some of the stretch goals that affect the book's content (more art, color layout, developmental editing), and those will add unknown amounts of time to the project. Someone pointed out in the run-up to this campaign that "You mean if 50 people add on commentary by Zak, he's going to write 5000 words?" and if that happens to one (or more...! One can dream...) of the commentators, that might add more time in.

While all of these things add time to the project, they also make the book better. And I hope they happen and will push for them to happen, but at the end of the day the people doing most of this stuff are freelancers who will need to fit this book into their schedules at the time it's ready for them.

So the actual delivery date is "When it's done." That isn't an option to enter into IndieGoGo for a delivery date though, and any reasonable guess is still pretty much blindly throwing darts. So why not January 2019 and poke fun at myself and others who have failed to correctly divine past completion dates?

So... You either want the book, or you don't. You either trust that it'll get done, or you don't.

If you don't want the book or don't trust that it'll get done, then backing this project is a bad idea no matter what date we stamp on it.

If you do want the book and do trust that it'll get done, we've put together some incentives to get you to back now instead of waiting until it's properly released.

It's up to you to decide whether those incentives are effective.

300€  gets you 20 standard Referee books (with the bookmark ribbons) at a 50% discount, shipping included - the standard LotFP direct retail discount at 20 units ordered. You get 2 more standard Ref books for every additional 30€ you pledge. In addition:
  • You may substitute 3 standard Ref books for 2 of the limited edition cover version.
  • You may substitute 4 standard Ref books for 3 of the Slipcases (just the slipcases, no books in them).
  • You may substitute 2 standard Ref books for 3 Rules & Magic hardcovers.
  • You may substitute 4 standard Ref books for 3 Referee Screens.
  • You may substitute 2 standard Ref books for 5 print copies of Thulian Echoes.
  • You may substitute 1 standard Ref book for 2 T-shirts.
  • You may substitute 2 standard Ref books for 5 sets of Dice.

Retail Package backers will also get 1 copy of each Stretch Goal adventure reached for every 5 standard Ref books (or the equivalent) pledged for at no extra charge (including Death Frost Doom!).

Email lotfp@lotfp.com before making your pledge to make sure we're exactly on the same page as far as what you'll be getting.

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Select a Perk
  • €1EUR
    Level 1: Ref Book Haters!

    You don't want the Ref book, but you do want some of those sweet, sweet extras, so you can use this perk level to get those and to hell with the Ref book!

    54 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €10EUR
    Level 2: Electronic Edition!

    You will get the PDF edition of the new Ref book when it's ready, plus PDFs of any stretch goal adventures! You can still add on physical extras if you want.

    17 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €12EUR
    Thulian Echoes

    You don't want the Ref book, but do want the Thulian Echoes adventure in print? Choose this option... POSTAGE PAID WORLDWIDE!

    14 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €20EUR
    God That Crawls A2 Map Print

    A 420 × 594mm print of Jason Thompson's visual walkthrough of The God that Crawls. Use this perk if you just want this one item, or want to just add this to a previous pledge.

    13 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €30EUR
    Level 3: The Regular Edition

    Voucher for the cost of the Ref book (standard edition with the Malcolm McClinton covers) + all stretch goal adventures for the LotFP store. You will pay shipping for these items through the LotFP store when the book is released. You also get the PDFs of these books. The Ref book will have two bookmark ribbons, exclusive for backers.

    88 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €38EUR
    Level 4: Special Edition

    Voucher for the cost of the Ref book (exclusive version with the Yannick Bouchard cover) + all stretch goal adventures for the LotFP store. You will pay shipping for these items through the LotFP store when the book is released. You also get the PDFs of these books. The Bouchard cover art will be exclusive to this version of the Ref book and will not be used by LotFP again. The Ref book will have two bookmark ribbons, exclusive for backers.

    178 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €50EUR
    Sponsor a Monster!

    Quick and easy way to sponsor a Monster. (see the Extras section in the main campaign text). If we get 100 of these things, they'll be a separate monster book!

    10 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €60EUR
    Level 5: Both Editions COMBO!

    Voucher for the cost of two Ref books + all stretch goal adventures for the LotFP store. You will pay shipping for these items through the LotFP store when the book is released. You also get the PDFs of these books. You'll get both versions of the Ref book, and both will have two bookmark ribbons, exclusive for backers.

    37 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €100EUR
    Quick and Easy Combo

    One of the most popular combinations listed as its own perk for your convenience. Includes the Bouchard-cover version of the Ref Book, the Ref Screen, Slipcase, print version of Thulian Echoes, and qualifies you for the print version of the Curtis adventure. You can still add more extras if you wish.

    26 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
  • €300EUR
    Retail Package!

    You get a base 20 copies of the regular edition of the Ref book (with the two bookmark ribbons - you're a backer!) with free shipping. See the notes on getting additional copies and substitutions at the end of the main project description before buying in to this perk!

    3 claimed
    Estimated delivery: January 2019
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